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		<title>By: Chris Penningroth</title>
		<link>http://chris.casablog.com/2007/06/27/fight-tank-fight-tank-fight-pit-fight/#comment-1560</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Penningroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a couple types, actually.  The assignment I had to pull was called an Air Liaison Officer billet.  I was basically in charge of a Tactical Air Command and Control Party for two years.  We lived and worked with the Army.  If it had been a flying assignment, it would have been my best assignment ever! (Unfortunately. . . .)

     Pit, pod. . . I knew what you meant! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a couple types, actually.  The assignment I had to pull was called an Air Liaison Officer billet.  I was basically in charge of a Tactical Air Command and Control Party for two years.  We lived and worked with the Army.  If it had been a flying assignment, it would have been my best assignment ever! (Unfortunately. . . .)</p>
<p>     Pit, pod. . . I knew what you meant! <img src='http://chris.casablog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anwyn</title>
		<link>http://chris.casablog.com/2007/06/27/fight-tank-fight-tank-fight-pit-fight/#comment-1553</link>
		<dc:creator>Anwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm mighty curious what non-flying assignment could be so important that they'd pull a trained fighter pilot out of the cockpit.

Dad informs me that I've mislabeled the "boom pod" as "boom pit." Whoops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m mighty curious what non-flying assignment could be so important that they&#8217;d pull a trained fighter pilot out of the cockpit.</p>
<p>Dad informs me that I&#8217;ve mislabeled the &#8220;boom pod&#8221; as &#8220;boom pit.&#8221; Whoops.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Penningroth</title>
		<link>http://chris.casablog.com/2007/06/27/fight-tank-fight-tank-fight-pit-fight/#comment-1548</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Penningroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; We are only allowed to taxi the wives around in the 'Family model.' Once per year or so the Squadron will get everyone together and we'll put the spouses in the back seat, lower the canopy, crank the motor, cruise out to the runway, plug in the blower, and get running to the tune of 100 knots, but we never leave the ground. It's a little cheesy, but the gals seem to enjoy it. (The preponderance of spouses are of the female persuasion, but we have the occassional male married to a lady fighter pilot who hops in for the taxi ride). &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Sorry. . . I haven't refueled in four years because I was in a non-flying assignment from 2004-2006, and then ended up waiting eight months on my security clearance review. That's not the Air Force's fault at all. Well, maybe it's the Air Force's fault for sending me to a non-flying assignment! :-) &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; I know how you feel about the changing bases. The unit I was first assigned to doesn't exist anymore, and my last unit is moving from Germany back to the States (to Ft Bliss, actually, and I don't know if there's any way to make it more drastic, either!). &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; I haven't pulled any alert duty since my first assignment, and I certainly don't miss it! &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We are only allowed to taxi the wives around in the &#8216;Family model.&#8217; Once per year or so the Squadron will get everyone together and we&#8217;ll put the spouses in the back seat, lower the canopy, crank the motor, cruise out to the runway, plug in the blower, and get running to the tune of 100 knots, but we never leave the ground. It&#8217;s a little cheesy, but the gals seem to enjoy it. (The preponderance of spouses are of the female persuasion, but we have the occassional male married to a lady fighter pilot who hops in for the taxi ride). </p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sorry. . . I haven&#8217;t refueled in four years because I was in a non-flying assignment from 2004-2006, and then ended up waiting eight months on my security clearance review. That&#8217;s not the Air Force&#8217;s fault at all. Well, maybe it&#8217;s the Air Force&#8217;s fault for sending me to a non-flying assignment! <img src='http://chris.casablog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I know how you feel about the changing bases. The unit I was first assigned to doesn&#8217;t exist anymore, and my last unit is moving from Germany back to the States (to Ft Bliss, actually, and I don&#8217;t know if there&#8217;s any way to make it more drastic, either!). </p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I haven&#8217;t pulled any alert duty since my first assignment, and I certainly don&#8217;t miss it! </p>
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		<title>By: Anwyn</title>
		<link>http://chris.casablog.com/2007/06/27/fight-tank-fight-tank-fight-pit-fight/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>Anwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And do the wives get to go up in two-seat -16s, too? Now THAT would rock.

I'm still a bit stunned at the implications of the things you're talking about--I hadn't realized good ol' USAF was so constrained that fighter pilots went four years without midair refueling. That seems a tad dangerous, no?

Ah well. All the bases we were stationed at when I was a kid are either fully closed or keep Reserve or Guard wings only. Different world. My dad sat alert for about one week out of four most of my growing up years until Bush Sr. put a stop to it. But the Guard over at PDX still sends the Eagles of the Columbia out on Memorial Day and the Fourth--heard the -15s go screaming over this morning but couldn't get outside in time to spot them. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And do the wives get to go up in two-seat -16s, too? Now THAT would rock.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still a bit stunned at the implications of the things you&#8217;re talking about&#8211;I hadn&#8217;t realized good ol&#8217; USAF was so constrained that fighter pilots went four years without midair refueling. That seems a tad dangerous, no?</p>
<p>Ah well. All the bases we were stationed at when I was a kid are either fully closed or keep Reserve or Guard wings only. Different world. My dad sat alert for about one week out of four most of my growing up years until Bush Sr. put a stop to it. But the Guard over at PDX still sends the Eagles of the Columbia out on Memorial Day and the Fourth&#8211;heard the -15s go screaming over this morning but couldn&#8217;t get outside in time to spot them. <img src='http://chris.casablog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Penningroth</title>
		<link>http://chris.casablog.com/2007/06/27/fight-tank-fight-tank-fight-pit-fight/#comment-1546</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Penningroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Correct! One down, five to go! (Seriously though, it means 'No Kick @$$ Without Tanker Gas') &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; In today's world of constrained budgets, I'm afraid moving pilots out is the only feasible answer (the other weapons systems do need pilots, after all). If cash and time weren't a factor, I'd say getting more maintainers would be a good answer. The other reality the Air Force is having to face is that with smart bombs getting smaller, we can carry more of them per aircraft, therefore we don't need quite as many aircraft to take out whatever targets need to be struck. The F-22 is proving itself similarly capable in the air-to-air fight (refer to&#160;my article on the &lt;a title="Weltanschauung:  Comment on an E-mail" href="http://chris.casablog.com/2007/05/11/comment-on-an-e-mail/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Global Hawk&lt;/a&gt; urban legend about a month ago). We really can do more with less. &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; It's not the same story with the Army and the Marines. It still takes about one squad per street to control it, and I'm not sure that wasn't true from the Greek Phalanx through the Roman Legion to WWII to now. The more streets you need to control, the more boots on the ground you need. The Air Force can help a whole lot, but we still haven't figured out a way for a fighter jet to help an old lady across the donkey cart path while shooing away insurgents. Ergo, the Army and Marines are getting more of the budget share these days. In many ways rightly so. If only we could just get the budget increased. . . . &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; The tankers still take wives on incentive flights. I almost managed to hook up a bunch of Misawa wives with flights from the 909 ARS. Then the 909 decided at the last minute they couldn't land here, so we missed out. We were bummed, but we'll try again sometime! &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Correct! One down, five to go! (Seriously though, it means &#8216;No Kick @$$ Without Tanker Gas&#8217;) </p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In today&#8217;s world of constrained budgets, I&#8217;m afraid moving pilots out is the only feasible answer (the other weapons systems do need pilots, after all). If cash and time weren&#8217;t a factor, I&#8217;d say getting more maintainers would be a good answer. The other reality the Air Force is having to face is that with smart bombs getting smaller, we can carry more of them per aircraft, therefore we don&#8217;t need quite as many aircraft to take out whatever targets need to be struck. The F-22 is proving itself similarly capable in the air-to-air fight (refer to&nbsp;my article on the <a title="Weltanschauung:  Comment on an E-mail" href="http://chris.casablog.com/2007/05/11/comment-on-an-e-mail/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Global Hawk</a> urban legend about a month ago). We really can do more with less. </p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It&#8217;s not the same story with the Army and the Marines. It still takes about one squad per street to control it, and I&#8217;m not sure that wasn&#8217;t true from the Greek Phalanx through the Roman Legion to WWII to now. The more streets you need to control, the more boots on the ground you need. The Air Force can help a whole lot, but we still haven&#8217;t figured out a way for a fighter jet to help an old lady across the donkey cart path while shooing away insurgents. Ergo, the Army and Marines are getting more of the budget share these days. In many ways rightly so. If only we could just get the budget increased. . . . </p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The tankers still take wives on incentive flights. I almost managed to hook up a bunch of Misawa wives with flights from the 909 ARS. Then the 909 decided at the last minute they couldn&#8217;t land here, so we missed out. We were bummed, but we&#8217;ll try again sometime! </p>
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		<title>By: Anwyn</title>
		<link>http://chris.casablog.com/2007/06/27/fight-tank-fight-tank-fight-pit-fight/#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>Anwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will do. I assume "G" is gas ... when I was little they were still taking the wives on occasional flights. My mom used to mention how she fell asleep in the boom pit.

Do you think moving pilots out, rather than support in, is the right answer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will do. I assume &#8220;G&#8221; is gas &#8230; when I was little they were still taking the wives on occasional flights. My mom used to mention how she fell asleep in the boom pit.</p>
<p>Do you think moving pilots out, rather than support in, is the right answer?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Penningroth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Penningroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 05:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;Anwyn, &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; That's getting to be the shape of it. Our problem right now is a couple of maintenance specialties are less-than-critically manned. We've got too many airplanes, too many pilots, and not enough maintainers to generate sorties. &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; I think the problem will be 'fixed' in about 1-2 years. We're going to start moving pilots out of fighters and into both special ops and unmanned systems. We'll still have too many airplanes for awhile. &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Thanks for posting! Tell your Dad &#34;NKAWTG!&#34; He'll know what it means! &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anwyn, </p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That&#8217;s getting to be the shape of it. Our problem right now is a couple of maintenance specialties are less-than-critically manned. We&#8217;ve got too many airplanes, too many pilots, and not enough maintainers to generate sorties. </p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I think the problem will be &#8216;fixed&#8217; in about 1-2 years. We&#8217;re going to start moving pilots out of fighters and into both special ops and unmanned systems. We&#8217;ll still have too many airplanes for awhile. </p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for posting! Tell your Dad &quot;NKAWTG!&quot; He&#8217;ll know what it means! </p>
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		<title>By: Anwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 01:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So am I understanding you that the AF is having trouble making sure its pilots have enough flight time and support to make monthly training standards?

My dad was a tanker pilot. Nice to hear some stories from the other side. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So am I understanding you that the AF is having trouble making sure its pilots have enough flight time and support to make monthly training standards?</p>
<p>My dad was a tanker pilot. Nice to hear some stories from the other side. <img src='http://chris.casablog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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